Well that's settled it, I can't run for parliament.

I didn’t know I was a Pom until I was almost 60. I was born in central Qld, lived in the far north for all of my formative years, and knew my father had been brought to Aus by his parents when he was six.

In those days, citizenship was a strangely vague thing. We were all British subjects, and the old fella was Australian, there was no need to declare citizenship. He voted, fought and paid taxes as an Australian, and when immigration stuff changed some time in the sixties I think, he was simply considered to be Aus. Had he applied for one he would have been given an Aus passport.

Then I discovered that because he was a Pom, married to my mother at the time of my birth, and I was born before 1960, I too am a Pom! :blush:

I had no say in it, I just am, and I must admit that given my current life it’s a bit handy from time to time.

Apparently 50% of Australians were born elsewhere and therefore are technically citizens of another country.

How many of us cannot run for Parliament? (Well Mick’s not even Aus! :wink: )

I am too, have the bit of paper to prove it, got it a couple of years back. However, I am also a cloggy citizen and would need to renounce that before I could run for parliament. This is something I semi-seriously thought about a while back - running for parliament that is, not the renouncing citizenship bit.

Mick

Then I discovered that because he was a Pom, married to my mother at the time of my birth, and I was born before 1960, I too am a Pom! :blush:
Don’t let your Froggy mates find out about that.

How many of us cannot run for Parliament? (Well Mick’s not even Aus! :wink: )
At one point they reckoned he wasn’t even here!

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@JMick said in Well that's settled it, I can't run for parliament.:

This is something I semi-seriously thought about a while back - running for parliament that is, not the renouncing citizenship bit.

Mick

Well you can’t have one without the other Mick!

BTW, the clogs renounce your citizenship if you are a citizen of another country and haven’t renewed your passport after ten years… be careful!

I used to work with a German who was naturalised, he died and his last wish was for his remains to be buried in his birth town in Germany, the German Government refused the request as he had renounced citizenship.

Glad he wasn’t alive to see that!

Met a Swiss guy, uncle of a friend, who had come to Australia as a child when his parents immigrated. When he went back to visit in his 60s, he was detained at the airport because he hadn’t completed his national service. Took a bit of negotiation to get his release.

That has happened to a few early emigrants.

@bitingmidge said in Well that's settled it, I can't run for parliament.:

BTW, the clogs renounce your citizenship if you are a citizen of another country and haven’t renewed your passport after ten years… be careful!

Actually, it’s if you let your Dutch passport lapse.

I let mine lapse, but there’s a few scenarios in which they don’t automatically cancel your citizenship and I’m covered by two of them: taking the citizenship of your spouse and if you lived in the 2nd country for more than ten years as a minor. Have written to them to double check, still waiting to hear back. Which reminds me, I might try calling them since I’m home and I haven’t heard back.

Mick

I’m similar to Midge in that my father was born in the UK and bought out here as a kid.
I knew I could apply for a British passport (which I haven’t) but I didn’t really think of myself as being a British citizen though I guess technically I am.

But surely, if you’re standing for a political party, wouldn’t you think that the party organisation would be across all this stuff and ask the appropriate questions of you?

Craig, this is the Greens mate, do you expect rational behaviour?

Hmmm, well, there is that ;)

I don’t know it’s so much a matter of irrational behaviour so much as a lack of specialist knowledge. I assume that for every country that allows dual citizenship there’s a complete set of rules and conditions which may or may not be easy to access. If it was possible for Midge to go through most of his life without realising that he had Brit citizenship then it’s hardly surprising that there’s people in politics who find themselves in a similar situation.

Mick

@Craig said in Well that's settled it, I can't run for parliament.:

I knew I could apply for a British passport (which I haven’t) but I didn’t really think of myself as being a British citizen though I guess technically I am.

Yep. I had that vague knowledge too. It was only after going through the application process (super simple) and realising that there were simply no hoops to go through - and with some shock that I was actually British! We left the passport open on the table for a week so we could stop to stare at the line “British Citizen” - it was a bit hard to get a handle on!

On another note- saw a talking head from the opposition on tele this morning with the quote of the day “This isn’t some minor technicality we are talking about, it’s the Australian Constitution.”

Fair call!

Is there any value in British citizenship post-BREXIT?

I guess not if you want to live in the EU.

What’s going to happen to all those poms who moved to countries on the Continent?

@silentC said in Well that's settled it, I can't run for parliament.:

Is there any value in British citizenship post-BREXIT?

Is there any value in British citizenship? It made our French residency visa easier, but not automatic, but apart from that… I’m not sure.

Post BREXIT, things will probably return to their pre-EU state which is very similar to their current state actually. Moving between the UK and Europe still requires a passport, there are as many EU citizens living in UK as there are UK citizens living abroad - I suspect after a bit of posturing the status quo will remain.

Oddly enough, entering the UK is not something I like to do with my Brit passport. It always causes stern interviews with my beloved who they are sure is intent on overstaying. On one occasion I politely requested that they tell their computer that we spend our northern summers on our boat in France, and their winter at (arguably) one of the nicest beaches in Australia. and when they had done that could they please ask it why we’d want to stay in the UK for even the six months her visa allows?

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I’m safe to run for parliament as those with dual-citizenship are banned. I’ve got triple-citizenship.

Well actually, I’m not sure. I was born in Columbia to U.S. citizens and moved to Australia aged 10. I was naturalised when I was 16, basically as soon as I could.

At the time, I would have lost my U.S. citizenship once I took the citizenship of another country but since I was under 18, it was considered that I wasn’t responsible for my actions.

I have no idea whether Columbia considers me a citizen or not.

Columbia or Colombia?

Mick

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