Ball tampering?

Yeah it only reinforces what I have always thought of Smith as captain. He was thrust into the job way too early.

@termite said in Ball tampering?:

Well it would appear that quick, and incorrect, judgements have cost Australia a bloody good coach.

The abuse of Boof and family is unforgivable. However, for the reasons cited by himself, he made the right decision. Three members of the team he coaches, three guys he obviously could not “coach” to think in a way which was honourable have done the wrong thing in the most spectacular way. If that’s not a bigger coaching failure than losing the ashes, I don’t know what is, and I’m a fan of Boof’s ways.

In short, it wasn’t the incorrect judgement of the public that cost Australia the coach, it was his own shortcomings which sadly came home to roost in the worst way possible.

Wrong, think about what BT posted regarding maturity and combine it with the Aussie tradition of not dobbing in your mates. A matter of an immature decision between loyalty and responsibility. Not Boof’s fault.

Would have been nice to see the vociferous people here mouthing of about Mathew Lodge but apparently him being allowed to play football, in spite of what he has done, pales into insignificance compared to tampering with a cricket ball.

Does tend to show certain values eh?

@termite said in Ball tampering?:

Wrong, think about what BT posted regarding maturity and combine it with the Aussie tradition of not dobbing in your mates. A matter of an immature decision between loyalty and responsibility. Not Boof’s fault.

Start with - senior figure plots consistently to break the rules - coach unaware and his influence is not strong enough to prevent that? Then go to “young” (and I dispute that 26 is young) player breaking rules - coaches influence not strong enough.

Now the captain “immature?” so what coach would watch a bloke over an eight year international career, almost three(?) of them as captain, and not notice immaturity of that enormity?

@termite said in Ball tampering?:

Would have been nice to see the vociferous people here mouthing of about Mathew Lodge but apparently him being allowed to play football, in spite of what he has done, pales into insignificance compared to tampering with a cricket ball.

So now I have to find out who Matthew Lodge is and what football is. I honestly know nothing of what he’s been up to except that it was something.

I lost a lot of interest many years ago when Wayne Bennett (for whom I have the greatest admiration) defended a particular miscreant by arguing that he wasn’t a role model. The moment sponsors start paying someone, that person becomes a model, role or otherwise for the sponsors product.

What would happen to a bank manager mis-handling funds or even forgetting to lock the door?

@bitingmidge said in Ball tampering?:

@termite said in Ball tampering?:

Wrong, think about what BT posted regarding maturity and combine it with the Aussie tradition of not dobbing in your mates. A matter of an immature decision between loyalty and responsibility. Not Boof’s fault.

Start with - senior figure plots consistently to break the rules - coach unaware and his influence is not strong enough to prevent that? Then go to “young” (and I dispute that 26 is young) player breaking rules - coaches influence not strong enough.

Now the captain “immature?” so what coach would watch a bloke over an eight year international career, almost three(?) of them as captain, and not notice immaturity of that enormity?

I said you wouldn’t believe the truth.

@bitingmidge said in Ball tampering?:

@termite said in Ball tampering?:

Would have been nice to see the vociferous people here mouthing of about Mathew Lodge but apparently him being allowed to play football, in spite of what he has done, pales into insignificance compared to tampering with a cricket ball.

So now I have to find out who Matthew Lodge is and what football is. I honestly know nothing of what he’s been up to except that it was something.

I lost a lot of interest many years ago when Wayne Bennett (for whom I have the greatest admiration) defended a particular miscreant by arguing that he wasn’t a role model. The moment sponsors start paying someone, that person becomes a model, role or otherwise for the sponsors product.

What would happen to a bank manager mis-handling funds or even forgetting to lock the door?

Your hero Wayne Bennett is a vociferous supporter of Mathew Lodge, you may change your opinion of him when you read about Lodge, if you are prepared to believe the truth that is.

@termite said in Ball tampering?:

Your hero Wayne Bennett

What was it when I said “I lost a lot of interest many years ago when Wayne Bennett (for whom I have the greatest admiration) defended a particular miscreant by arguing that he wasn’t a role model.” that wasn’t clear?

Ahh yes “have” instead of “had” for Bennett.

Mathew Lodge is a thug who got on the piss and terrorised an innocent couple and their 9yo in their own home in Brooklyn. He was convicted of assault and ordered to pay 1.6 million dollars in damages to these people he’s terrorised. He hasn’t paid one cent or even apologised to them. Yet the Brisbane Thugby Leauge team (and Wayne Bennet) and the NRL think that it’s OK that he carries on BAU. A disgrace

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@bitingmidge said in Ball tampering?:

@termite said in Ball tampering?:

Your hero Wayne Bennett

What was it when I said “I lost a lot of interest many years ago when Wayne Bennett (for whom I have the greatest admiration) defended a particular miscreant by arguing that he wasn’t a role model.” that wasn’t clear?

Ahh yes “have” instead of “had” for Bennett.

My apology for your mistype. My statement re "Vociferous People’ was not aimed directly at you, several fall into that category.

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@craig said in Ball tampering?:

Mathew Lodge is a thug who got on the piss and terrorised an innocent couple and their 9yo in their own home in Brooklyn. He was convicted of assault and ordered to pay 1.6 million dollars in damages to these people he’s terrorised. He hasn’t paid one cent or even apologised to them. Yet the Brisbane Thugby Leauge team (and Wayne Bennet) and the NRL think that it’s OK that he carries on BAU. A disgrace

My lack of interest in football codes generally comes from a combination of my absence from Aus when they are played, and something akin to a complete ban on receipt of transmission in our household, in favour of countless reruns of NCIS/

I have less than a passing interest in the NRL because of countless numbers of these sorts of incidents over the years, They forget we pay them.

What were they thinking , that like the others they would only get a fine Recent ball tampering
Mike Atherton Fined $A3,700. 1994 No Suspension.
Pakistan 2006 found to be tampering with the ball , Walked off and forfeited the game. no suspensions or fined
2010 Shahid Afridi was banned from two Twenty20 internationals after Biting the ball
2013 Faf du Plessis pleaded guilty to the charge of ball tampering and was fined 50 per cent of his match fee.using a zipper on his pants no suspension.
2014 Philander dug his nails into the rough side of the ball. He accepted the charge and was fined 75 per cent of his match fee. No suspension
2016 South Africa enjoyed a crushing win over Australia in Hobart, after which footage emerged of du Plessis using a mint to help shine the ball.

The ICC vowed to investigate and du Plessis was charged with ball tampering. No Fee no suspension.

Tolly, as the parent of two junior cricketers I dont give 3/5 of 5/8 of fuck all of a knob of goatshit what penalties other countries gave their ball tampering players.

These three arse clowns have done more damage to grass roots, country, womens and junior cricket around Australia than you could imagine. The pitiful amount of $$$$ that gets filtered down to these levels is going to almost dry up with the loss of 100’s of millions from the tv rights currently being negotiated and the sponsors that have started to drop off.

I could care less for the personal losses these players have and will lose, it is an absolute pittance compared to the areas mentioned above.

The damage that they have done to CA’s reputation is immeasurable. CA also have to shoulder some of that blame, if they had pulled certain players into line over the previous years they may not have found themselves in this position.

Hopefully what this will do is herald a new level of accountabilty that will reverberate around the world, the benchmark has now been set by CA , regardless of what the ICC sets. Any country who finds themselves in a similar situation in the future will find themselves judged against these penalties, and will be shown for the hypocrites that they are if they dont act in a similar manner.

Don’t get me wrong I was just answering the Question, I think they should have been given 1/2 the penalty they got for ball tampering and the outer Half for stupidity. They are right up there with Chappell and I have no time for any of them.
There are cheats in every level of every international sport but I like to believe that here in Australia we were brought up, and we bring our kids up, to play their best, win lose or draw. and to cheat is far worse than coming last.

Just saw this morning on Sports Sunday (9) that the ICC gave Smith a 1 test ban and fined him full match payments,
Cameron Bancroft got three demerit points and 75% of his match payments .
No punishment for Warner.
As far as the ICC is concerned Bancroft and Warner would be clear to play the next test.

The ICC nowadays just seems to be a sub branch of the BCCI, and as such dont want to hand out too harsh a penalty in case an Indian player ends up before them.

The reason the top two got such harsh penalties, in comparison to the past, is because they were the two main people fighting the offer, and mostly succeeding, that Cricket Australia was making in regards to lower payments for the State and lower grade players and a cut in the monies diverted to junior, female, and upcoming players. The current bullshit that CA is sprouting is that they were fighting for more money for themselves.
If it were not for the actions of Smith and Warner the womens teams would not have received the increase that they got, pitiful and all that it is.
So contrary to what you may believe MB, those two blokes are in a large part responsible for the fact that the juniors are getting the funds that they do. Take a look at the change in structure of CA, and the high priced mates that Sutherland has installed in positions that never existed before he took the reins, and you will see where a hell of a lot of the money that should be going down the line is actually going to.
This part payback has been in the pipeline waiting for the opportunity from the minute they opposed the CA offer last year, and as I have already said, there is more to this than appears at the moment.

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